Jan 27 2009, 2:00 PM
AdminErik: Happy Tuesday, everybody. I’m nursing a cold and a burrito bowl at Bolloco. Hopefully they won’t kick me off their wifi before 3:00.
AdminErik: Happy Tuesday, everybody. I’m nursing a cold and a burrito bowl at Bolloco. Hopefully they won’t kick me off their wifi before 3:00.

Jan 27 2009, 2:00 PM
Crasherx (guest): hello
Crasherx (guest): hello


Jan 27 2009, 2:01 PM
AdminErik: Today’s chat is going to be pretty targeted. At least at first. We’ll be talking about the future of PFTA as an online resource for the unemployed and the employed to meet online.
AdminErik: Today’s chat is going to be pretty targeted. At least at first. We’ll be talking about the future of PFTA as an online resource for the unemployed and the employed to meet online.

Jan 27 2009, 2:01 PM
Crasherx (guest): can’t we talk about sports? LOL
Crasherx (guest): can’t we talk about sports? LOL


Jan 27 2009, 2:01 PM
Crasherx (guest): Keep your head high, all
Crasherx (guest): Keep your head high, all


Jan 27 2009, 2:01 PM
AdminErik: rather, the unemployed and the people who can proffer contracts to them.
AdminErik: rather, the unemployed and the people who can proffer contracts to them.

Jan 27 2009, 2:02 PM
Crasherx (guest): Hello AdminErik
Crasherx (guest): Hello AdminErik


Jan 27 2009, 2:02 PM
AdminErik: let’s let some of the trollers officially acknowledge their presence before we get too deep
AdminErik: let’s let some of the trollers officially acknowledge their presence before we get too deep

Jan 27 2009, 2:03 PM
Crasherx (guest): Roll call….
Crasherx (guest): Roll call….


Jan 27 2009, 2:03 PM
guest (guest): Hello
guest (guest): Hello


Jan 27 2009, 2:03 PM
Crasherx (guest): Nope
Crasherx (guest): Nope


Jan 27 2009, 2:04 PM
freelancin (guest): got my first gig of the year… hoorah
freelancin (guest): got my first gig of the year… hoorah


Jan 27 2009, 2:04 PM
TeresaRad (guest): Hi everyone
TeresaRad (guest): Hi everyone


Jan 27 2009, 2:05 PM
freelancin (guest): after moaning to everyone that I was goign to be unemployed this year
freelancin (guest): after moaning to everyone that I was goign to be unemployed this year


Jan 27 2009, 2:05 PM
Crasherx (guest): Bites, but nothing real. It sucks! Even if I wanted to get a part-time job, people look at my resume and laugh. They ask why are you here
Crasherx (guest): Bites, but nothing real. It sucks! Even if I wanted to get a part-time job, people look at my resume and laugh. They ask why are you here


Jan 27 2009, 2:05 PM
freelancin (guest): someone that i’ve done work for before… they are keeping busy
freelancin (guest): someone that i’ve done work for before… they are keeping busy


Jan 27 2009, 2:06 PM
AdminErik: so…first off…what does everyone think of evolving PFTA from a blog site to an online marketplace of sorts
AdminErik: so…first off…what does everyone think of evolving PFTA from a blog site to an online marketplace of sorts

Jan 27 2009, 2:06 PM
Crasherx (guest): I’m going to do free Pro-bono work to keep busy.
Crasherx (guest): I’m going to do free Pro-bono work to keep busy.


Jan 27 2009, 2:06 PM
Crasherx (guest): Or alot of drugs
Crasherx (guest): Or alot of drugs


Jan 27 2009, 2:06 PM
guest (guest): great idea Erik – re: this forum
guest (guest): great idea Erik – re: this forum


Jan 27 2009, 2:06 PM
lisa (guest): I think it’s a great idea
lisa (guest): I think it’s a great idea


Jan 27 2009, 2:06 PM
Chris (guest): with talent or agencies looking for talent?
Chris (guest): with talent or agencies looking for talent?


Jan 27 2009, 2:07 PM
TeresaRad (guest): both
TeresaRad (guest): both


Jan 27 2009, 2:07 PM
Crasherx (guest): Sally Hogshead sent us here
Crasherx (guest): Sally Hogshead sent us here


Jan 27 2009, 2:07 PM
deenile (guest): PFTA . . . like a talent zoo?
deenile (guest): PFTA . . . like a talent zoo?


Jan 27 2009, 2:07 PM
lisa (guest): Erik, how will you promote it?
lisa (guest): Erik, how will you promote it?


Jan 27 2009, 2:07 PM
AdminErik: like a talent zoo, but mostly for the immediate needs of people who just got laid off
AdminErik: like a talent zoo, but mostly for the immediate needs of people who just got laid off

Jan 27 2009, 2:08 PM
Crasherx (guest): I hate those places
Crasherx (guest): I hate those places


Jan 27 2009, 2:08 PM
deenile (guest): like a temp talent zoo?
deenile (guest): like a temp talent zoo?


Jan 27 2009, 2:08 PM
guest (guest): for ad executives Erik?
guest (guest): for ad executives Erik?


Jan 27 2009, 2:08 PM
Crasherx (guest): AVOID THE CREATIVE CIRCLE!!!!!!! !
Crasherx (guest): AVOID THE CREATIVE CIRCLE!!!!!!! !


Jan 27 2009, 2:08 PM
Crasherx (guest): They will rip you off
Crasherx (guest): They will rip you off


Jan 27 2009, 2:08 PM
ajl (guest): have you had interest from employers as well as those that want to work?
ajl (guest): have you had interest from employers as well as those that want to work?


Jan 27 2009, 2:08 PM
AdminErik: yeah. it struck teresa and i that talentzoo is a lot of full time placement…jobs that are dwindling by the second.
AdminErik: yeah. it struck teresa and i that talentzoo is a lot of full time placement…jobs that are dwindling by the second.

Jan 27 2009, 2:09 PM
AdminErik: ajl…yeah. a couple of agencies have said this would be useful for them
AdminErik: ajl…yeah. a couple of agencies have said this would be useful for them

Jan 27 2009, 2:09 PM
lisa (guest): Plus you could maybe figure out a way to keep it really simple.
lisa (guest): Plus you could maybe figure out a way to keep it really simple.


Jan 27 2009, 2:09 PM
lisa (guest): Just links to each other.
lisa (guest): Just links to each other.


Jan 27 2009, 2:09 PM
AdminErik: because, a, we won’t charge a percentage of placement. and, b, it will be very advertising-centric unlike monster.com
AdminErik: because, a, we won’t charge a percentage of placement. and, b, it will be very advertising-centric unlike monster.com

Jan 27 2009, 2:09 PM
deenile (guest): would freelancers have to lower their price? i.e. give some of it to PFTA?
deenile (guest): would freelancers have to lower their price? i.e. give some of it to PFTA?


Jan 27 2009, 2:09 PM
freelancin (guest): do headhunters like this idea?!?
freelancin (guest): do headhunters like this idea?!?


Jan 27 2009, 2:10 PM
Crasherx (guest): What can we do if we don’t want back in?
Crasherx (guest): What can we do if we don’t want back in?


Jan 27 2009, 2:10 PM
guest (guest): i’m a headhunter I think it’s a GREAT idea.
guest (guest): i’m a headhunter I think it’s a GREAT idea.


Jan 27 2009, 2:10 PM
AdminErik: well…i go back and forth with whether or not we set prices for work. my feeling now is that it should be left up to agencies and talent to work out together.
AdminErik: well…i go back and forth with whether or not we set prices for work. my feeling now is that it should be left up to agencies and talent to work out together.

Jan 27 2009, 2:10 PM
TeresaRad (guest): really? that’s interesting
TeresaRad (guest): really? that’s interesting


Jan 27 2009, 2:10 PM
deenile (guest): i love the idea of going around the headhunters!
deenile (guest): i love the idea of going around the headhunters!


Jan 27 2009, 2:10 PM
TeresaRad (guest): tell us why
TeresaRad (guest): tell us why


Jan 27 2009, 2:10 PM
lisa (guest): yeah, headhunter!
lisa (guest): yeah, headhunter!


Jan 27 2009, 2:11 PM
Crasherx (guest): Talentzoo is the only “headhunter” I ever enjoyed and respected
Crasherx (guest): Talentzoo is the only “headhunter” I ever enjoyed and respected


Jan 27 2009, 2:11 PM
Crasherx (guest): They are good people
Crasherx (guest): They are good people


Jan 27 2009, 2:11 PM
AdminErik: it would become a truly free marketplace…just a matchmaking service, if you will.
AdminErik: it would become a truly free marketplace…just a matchmaking service, if you will.

Jan 27 2009, 2:11 PM
ajl (guest): i don’t want to go around head hunters…just more exposure.
ajl (guest): i don’t want to go around head hunters…just more exposure.


Jan 27 2009, 2:11 PM
Crasherx (guest): Give props to Amy Hoover
Crasherx (guest): Give props to Amy Hoover


Jan 27 2009, 2:11 PM
SpecBank (guest): It’s a good time to work on your portfolio and reel. Speaking of which
My site SpecBank.com has 30 member directors looking to shoot spec spots. Check us out!
SpecBank (guest): It’s a good time to work on your portfolio and reel. Speaking of which


Jan 27 2009, 2:12 PM
Crasherx (guest): TV is dead
Crasherx (guest): TV is dead


Jan 27 2009, 2:12 PM
Crasherx (guest): Work on Interactive spec
Crasherx (guest): Work on Interactive spec


Jan 27 2009, 2:12 PM
guest (guest): Well for one thing: we are not in a headhunter market: anything that helps our clients – make their day easier is a good thing.
guest (guest): Well for one thing: we are not in a headhunter market: anything that helps our clients – make their day easier is a good thing.


Jan 27 2009, 2:12 PM
AdminErik: right now, there isn’t one, advertising specific site for talent. talentzoo = creative. freelanceswitch is moslty design. this aims to be all disciplines.
AdminErik: right now, there isn’t one, advertising specific site for talent. talentzoo = creative. freelanceswitch is moslty design. this aims to be all disciplines.

Jan 27 2009, 2:12 PM
Crasherx (guest): What about us writers?
Crasherx (guest): What about us writers?


Jan 27 2009, 2:12 PM
ajl (guest): after being at my last job for SO long…just want more people to see what I’m about. This craziness is SO new to me-
ajl (guest): after being at my last job for SO long…just want more people to see what I’m about. This craziness is SO new to me-


Jan 27 2009, 2:13 PM
Crasherx (guest): I never been so…scared
Crasherx (guest): I never been so…scared


Jan 27 2009, 2:13 PM
ajl (guest): me too
ajl (guest): me too


Jan 27 2009, 2:13 PM
TeresaRad (guest): this is for all advertising professionals, from account peeps to creative, interactive..
TeresaRad (guest): this is for all advertising professionals, from account peeps to creative, interactive..


Jan 27 2009, 2:13 PM
TeresaRad (guest): all aspects will be covered
TeresaRad (guest): all aspects will be covered


Jan 27 2009, 2:14 PM
freelancin (guest): maybe creatives can meet suits that want to partner in other ways
freelancin (guest): maybe creatives can meet suits that want to partner in other ways


Jan 27 2009, 2:14 PM
Crasherx (guest): Just the fact that I have people like you that in the same boat as me, makes me feel a liitle better
Crasherx (guest): Just the fact that I have people like you that in the same boat as me, makes me feel a liitle better


Jan 27 2009, 2:14 PM
Crasherx (guest): I need an Art Director!
Crasherx (guest): I need an Art Director!


Jan 27 2009, 2:14 PM
Crasherx (guest): yes…..
Crasherx (guest): yes…..


Jan 27 2009, 2:14 PM
deenile (guest): i’m here for you Crasherx
deenile (guest): i’m here for you Crasherx


Jan 27 2009, 2:14 PM
Crasherx (guest): Hi
Crasherx (guest): Hi


Jan 27 2009, 2:14 PM
ajl (guest): me too
ajl (guest): me too


Jan 27 2009, 2:14 PM
Melissa (guest): ditto! AD here
Melissa (guest): ditto! AD here


Jan 27 2009, 2:14 PM
Crasherx (guest): WOW
Crasherx (guest): WOW


Jan 27 2009, 2:14 PM
Crasherx (guest): Hi ADS!!!
Crasherx (guest): Hi ADS!!!


Jan 27 2009, 2:15 PM
Chris (guest): wow, a lot of ADs to compete against
Chris (guest): wow, a lot of ADs to compete against


Jan 27 2009, 2:15 PM
ajl (guest): hi back…what do you need?
ajl (guest): hi back…what do you need?


Jan 27 2009, 2:15 PM
lisa (guest): I like the thought of a really simple site that just matches up jobs w/skilled people.
lisa (guest): I like the thought of a really simple site that just matches up jobs w/skilled people.


Jan 27 2009, 2:15 PM
Crasherx (guest): Who wants to do some killer spec? Anyone?
Crasherx (guest): Who wants to do some killer spec? Anyone?


Jan 27 2009, 2:15 PM
freelancin (guest): i think there is a market for strategists and creatives to partner up and go after small clients
Jan 27 2009, 7:15 PM
deenile (guest): Crasherx, give Eric your email to give to me and I’ll send you a link.
deenile (guest): Crasherx, give Eric your email to give to me and I’ll send you a link.


Jan 27 2009, 7:15 PM
AdminErik: other than the obvious answer (a job), is there something missing from the talentzoos and creativehotlists of the world that PFTA could deliver?
AdminErik: other than the obvious answer (a job), is there something missing from the talentzoos and creativehotlists of the world that PFTA could deliver?

Jan 27 2009, 7:16 PM
deenile (guest): we can be the first hook up for PFTA
deenile (guest): we can be the first hook up for PFTA


Jan 27 2009, 7:16 PM
ajl (guest): most agencies don’t post when they’re looking for creatives
ajl (guest): most agencies don’t post when they’re looking for creatives


Jan 27 2009, 7:16 PM
Crasherx (guest): Trampguy@yahoo.com
Crasherx (guest): Trampguy@yahoo.com


Jan 27 2009, 7:16 PM
Chris (guest): lisa – do you then let the agency sort from a list or have the freelancer enter ‘skills’ (for lack of a better term) at PFTA?
Chris (guest): lisa – do you then let the agency sort from a list or have the freelancer enter ‘skills’ (for lack of a better term) at PFTA?


Jan 27 2009, 7:16 PM
Crasherx (guest): Trampguy@yahoo.com
Crasherx (guest): Trampguy@yahoo.com


Jan 27 2009, 7:16 PM
Crasherx (guest): PLEASE EMAIL ME
Crasherx (guest): PLEASE EMAIL ME


Jan 27 2009, 7:16 PM
Crasherx (guest): Trampguy@yahoo.com
Crasherx (guest): Trampguy@yahoo.com


Jan 27 2009, 7:16 PM
lisa (guest): I like freelancin’s suggestion that groups of people could get together to pitch clients
lisa (guest): I like freelancin’s suggestion that groups of people could get together to pitch clients


Jan 27 2009, 7:16 PM
ajl (guest): maybe they’ll look here and “discover us”
ajl (guest): maybe they’ll look here and “discover us”


Jan 27 2009, 7:17 PM
Crasherx (guest): Or better yet, start our own thing. We can be cheaper than the big places
Crasherx (guest): Or better yet, start our own thing. We can be cheaper than the big places


Jan 27 2009, 7:17 PM
freelancin (guest): thx.. i’ll take $5 please
freelancin (guest): thx.. i’ll take $5 please


Jan 27 2009, 7:17 PM
TeresaRad (guest): yes, Erik and I see it as an opportunity for internal networking too
TeresaRad (guest): yes, Erik and I see it as an opportunity for internal networking too


Jan 27 2009, 7:17 PM
Crasherx (guest): ALL ADS…PLEASE EMAIL ME Trampguy@yahoo.com
Crasherx (guest): ALL ADS…PLEASE EMAIL ME Trampguy@yahoo.com


Jan 27 2009, 7:17 PM
freelancin (guest): i would love to meet others in my geogrpahical area
freelancin (guest): i would love to meet others in my geogrpahical area


Jan 27 2009, 7:17 PM
deenile (guest): I like that, “Agency PFTA”
deenile (guest): I like that, “Agency PFTA”


Jan 27 2009, 7:17 PM
TeresaRad (guest): a site for collaboration as well as matching jobs with talent
TeresaRad (guest): a site for collaboration as well as matching jobs with talent


Jan 27 2009, 7:17 PM
ajl (guest): that would be great
ajl (guest): that would be great


Jan 27 2009, 7:17 PM
freelancin (guest): maybe this is a way to connect us
freelancin (guest): maybe this is a way to connect us


Jan 27 2009, 7:18 PM
ajl (guest): I have been finding SMALL (so far) projects that I may need help on at some point
ajl (guest): I have been finding SMALL (so far) projects that I may need help on at some point


Jan 27 2009, 7:18 PM
AdminErik: maybe there’s a section on the site that allows for pop-up agencies… “hey, i have a contact at X client. who want’s to go after it with me?”
AdminErik: maybe there’s a section on the site that allows for pop-up agencies… “hey, i have a contact at X client. who want’s to go after it with me?”

Jan 27 2009, 7:18 PM
Crasherx (guest): ALL ADS, I promise if you want to have great work, just email me
Crasherx (guest): ALL ADS, I promise if you want to have great work, just email me


Jan 27 2009, 7:18 PM
Crasherx (guest): Trampguy@yahoo.com
Crasherx (guest): Trampguy@yahoo.com


Jan 27 2009, 7:19 PM
Crasherx (guest): Okay, why is my mailbox is empty? LOL
Crasherx (guest): Okay, why is my mailbox is empty? LOL


Jan 27 2009, 7:19 PM
Crasherx (guest): I promise
Crasherx (guest): I promise


Jan 27 2009, 7:20 PM
Crasherx (guest): Thanks Melissa
Crasherx (guest): Thanks Melissa


Jan 27 2009, 7:20 PM
Crasherx (guest): I’m not
Crasherx (guest): I’m not


Jan 27 2009, 7:20 PM
Crasherx (guest): I got one from Mel
Crasherx (guest): I got one from Mel


Jan 27 2009, 7:20 PM
Melissa (guest): always up for doing great work
Melissa (guest): always up for doing great work


Jan 27 2009, 7:20 PM
Melissa (guest): paid or not
Melissa (guest): paid or not


Jan 27 2009, 7:20 PM
Crasherx (guest): As am I
Crasherx (guest): As am I


Jan 27 2009, 7:20 PM
Crasherx (guest): Great work is worth its weight in gold for the future
Crasherx (guest): Great work is worth its weight in gold for the future


Jan 27 2009, 7:21 PM
deenile (guest): sample of your writing?
deenile (guest): sample of your writing?


Jan 27 2009, 7:21 PM
guest (guest): can we get back to Erik’s topic?
guest (guest): can we get back to Erik’s topic?


Jan 27 2009, 7:21 PM
AdminErik: another thought…what if there was a pfta youtube channel where you could post a video-bio. kind of like sperm doners do for potential moms?
AdminErik: another thought…what if there was a pfta youtube channel where you could post a video-bio. kind of like sperm doners do for potential moms?

Jan 27 2009, 7:21 PM
Crasherx (guest): Thanks Dotsy
Crasherx (guest): Thanks Dotsy


Jan 27 2009, 7:21 PM
Deanne (guest): Hey, Eric –what if you invited different agencies in (who have openings) and have them do a “sell” on their openings. Why it’s a great job. You could do a schedule on who’s on when.
Deanne (guest): Hey, Eric –what if you invited different agencies in (who have openings) and have them do a “sell” on their openings. Why it’s a great job. You could do a schedule on who’s on when.


Jan 27 2009, 7:22 PM
guest (guest): like adweek did?
guest (guest): like adweek did?


Jan 27 2009, 7:22 PM
Deanne (guest): exactly — or the “day”. I bet you’d have many people tuning in
Deanne (guest): exactly — or the “day”. I bet you’d have many people tuning in


Jan 27 2009, 7:22 PM
Melissa (guest): i know i would
Melissa (guest): i know i would


Jan 27 2009, 7:23 PM
Deanne (guest): How does adweek do theirs?
Deanne (guest): How does adweek do theirs?


Jan 27 2009, 7:23 PM
guest (guest): for some reason adweek discontinued…
guest (guest): for some reason adweek discontinued…


Jan 27 2009, 7:23 PM
ajl (guest): Are people also interested in finding small/med projects to collaborate on as well. Like go out and find retail shops/cool little businesses that can’t afford the big agencies and then find the people you need to work on them here?
ajl (guest): Are people also interested in finding small/med projects to collaborate on as well. Like go out and find retail shops/cool little businesses that can’t afford the big agencies and then find the people you need to work on them here?


Jan 27 2009, 7:23 PM
Chris (guest): that really interests me
Chris (guest): that really interests me


Jan 27 2009, 7:23 PM
meg (guest): Yes, ajl, I know I would
meg (guest): Yes, ajl, I know I would


Jan 27 2009, 7:23 PM
ajl (guest): super cool!
ajl (guest): super cool!


Jan 27 2009, 7:23 PM
Melissa (guest): that is a great idea
Melissa (guest): that is a great idea


Jan 27 2009, 7:24 PM
AdminErik: it all depends on the client contacts, funding, etc. are you thinking about doing it on spec?
AdminErik: it all depends on the client contacts, funding, etc. are you thinking about doing it on spec?

Jan 27 2009, 7:24 PM
ajl (guest): you never know where you can find work….
ajl (guest): you never know where you can find work….


Jan 27 2009, 7:24 PM
guest (guest): then what’s the difference from portolio.com????
guest (guest): then what’s the difference from portolio.com????


Jan 27 2009, 7:24 PM
ajl (guest): no not spec
ajl (guest): no not spec


Jan 27 2009, 7:24 PM
deenile (guest): ajl and all, i think that larger companies may be wanting small ad groups as well in this economy
deenile (guest): ajl and all, i think that larger companies may be wanting small ad groups as well in this economy


Jan 27 2009, 7:25 PM
ajl (guest): really a community to pull together to get back to doing work
ajl (guest): really a community to pull together to get back to doing work


Jan 27 2009, 7:25 PM
freelancin (guest): maybe u need to launch this on just a regional level (like NY) to see how it works and to get the bugs ou
freelancin (guest): maybe u need to launch this on just a regional level (like NY) to see how it works and to get the bugs ou


Jan 27 2009, 7:25 PM
freelancin (guest): out
freelancin (guest): out


Jan 27 2009, 7:25 PM
Chris (guest): almost sounds like a new agency model
Chris (guest): almost sounds like a new agency model


Jan 27 2009, 7:25 PM
ajl (guest): why not
ajl (guest): why not


Jan 27 2009, 7:25 PM
AdminErik: ideally, you’re right. but the unemployment problem is national. and it doesn’t really even matter what market you’re in anymore.
AdminErik: ideally, you’re right. but the unemployment problem is national. and it doesn’t really even matter what market you’re in anymore.

Jan 27 2009, 7:26 PM
ajl (guest): exactly
ajl (guest): exactly


Jan 27 2009, 7:26 PM
Melissa (guest): its brutal
Melissa (guest): its brutal


Jan 27 2009, 7:26 PM
AdminErik: does anybody here have or know of someone with web development (flash) experience who might want to help with this?
AdminErik: does anybody here have or know of someone with web development (flash) experience who might want to help with this?

Jan 27 2009, 7:27 PM
hnlkenny (guest): brutal in sf also
hnlkenny (guest): brutal in sf also


Jan 27 2009, 7:27 PM
doh (guest): markets don’t really matter any more, as the business becomes more and more homoginzed
doh (guest): markets don’t really matter any more, as the business becomes more and more homoginzed


Jan 27 2009, 7:27 PM
Melissa (guest): oh, in sf. i know!
Melissa (guest): oh, in sf. i know!


Jan 27 2009, 7:27 PM
ajl (guest): i might…I’ll check in with them-
ajl (guest): i might…I’ll check in with them-


Jan 27 2009, 7:27 PM
freelancin (guest): i wish more agencies would allow virtual relationships
freelancin (guest): i wish more agencies would allow virtual relationships


Jan 27 2009, 7:27 PM
ajl (guest): me too
ajl (guest): me too


Jan 27 2009, 7:27 PM
freelancin (guest): maybe this could help convince them
freelancin (guest): maybe this could help convince them


Jan 27 2009, 7:27 PM
Jcarter (guest): the challenge is people with web development skills are getting paid jobs. Everyone i know is booked solid
Jcarter (guest): the challenge is people with web development skills are getting paid jobs. Everyone i know is booked solid


Jan 27 2009, 7:27 PM
Deanne (guest): they don’t have the time — everyone’s doing the job of two
Deanne (guest): they don’t have the time — everyone’s doing the job of two


Jan 27 2009, 7:27 PM
ajl (guest): yeah…
ajl (guest): yeah…


Jan 27 2009, 7:28 PM
meg (guest): maybe it would be helpful to post groups of laid-off creatives that are in the same part of the country, like little chapters of PFTA
meg (guest): maybe it would be helpful to post groups of laid-off creatives that are in the same part of the country, like little chapters of PFTA


Jan 27 2009, 7:28 PM
hnlkenny (guest): virtual would be cool, but challenge is with clients having layoffs too, they want people at the ready … by the phone!
hnlkenny (guest): virtual would be cool, but challenge is with clients having layoffs too, they want people at the ready … by the phone!


Jan 27 2009, 7:28 PM
freelancin (guest): skype.. IM…. it’s all very doable
freelancin (guest): skype.. IM…. it’s all very doable


Jan 27 2009, 7:28 PM
freelancin (guest): maybe there is a spec showcase on PFTA with projects
freelancin (guest): maybe there is a spec showcase on PFTA with projects


Jan 27 2009, 7:28 PM
Crasherx (guest): I have an idea….Let’s do an AD for this site
Crasherx (guest): I have an idea….Let’s do an AD for this site


Jan 27 2009, 7:28 PM
ajl (guest): doable…but they’re not in reality there yet
ajl (guest): doable…but they’re not in reality there yet


Jan 27 2009, 7:29 PM
AdminErik: take a look at behance.net. i picture pfta being laid out pretty similarly, with individual “windows” to each job seeker.
AdminErik: take a look at behance.net. i picture pfta being laid out pretty similarly, with individual “windows” to each job seeker.

Jan 27 2009, 7:29 PM
doh (guest): i think it’s time for freelancers to organize. don’t know about you all but I’m getting tired of giving it away for practically nothing
doh (guest): i think it’s time for freelancers to organize. don’t know about you all but I’m getting tired of giving it away for practically nothing


Jan 27 2009, 7:29 PM
doh (guest): oh, where?
doh (guest): oh, where?


Jan 27 2009, 7:29 PM
freelancin (guest): is it common for agencies to pay a reduced rate if it’s a new biz pitch now?
freelancin (guest): is it common for agencies to pay a reduced rate if it’s a new biz pitch now?


Jan 27 2009, 7:29 PM
AdminErik: nyc
Jan 27 2009, 2:29 PM
Crasherx (guest): Chicago here
Crasherx (guest): Chicago here


Jan 27 2009, 2:29 PM
freelancin (guest): yuck
freelancin (guest): yuck


Jan 27 2009, 2:30 PM
doh (guest): and how is that working out?
doh (guest): and how is that working out?


Jan 27 2009, 2:30 PM
Crasherx (guest): I want to do an ad for this site
Crasherx (guest): I want to do an ad for this site


Jan 27 2009, 2:30 PM
Crasherx (guest): Chicago is bad
Crasherx (guest): Chicago is bad


Jan 27 2009, 2:30 PM
Crasherx (guest): Detroit is dead
Crasherx (guest): Detroit is dead


Jan 27 2009, 2:30 PM
Jcarter (guest): LA is dead
Jcarter (guest): LA is dead


Jan 27 2009, 2:31 PM
guest (guest): we are in a glbal recession – why is everyone shocked????? ASAIA is bad?
guest (guest): we are in a glbal recession – why is everyone shocked????? ASAIA is bad?


Jan 27 2009, 2:31 PM
meg (guest): Minneapolis is at a stand-still.
meg (guest): Minneapolis is at a stand-still.


Jan 27 2009, 2:31 PM
Chris (guest): how is PTFA going to be different from behance? B/c it’s only ad people?
Chris (guest): how is PTFA going to be different from behance? B/c it’s only ad people?


Jan 27 2009, 2:31 PM
Crasherx (guest): It’s not the same industary as it used to be
Crasherx (guest): It’s not the same industary as it used to be


Jan 27 2009, 2:31 PM
meg (guest): I don’t think we’re shocked, just lamenting.
meg (guest): I don’t think we’re shocked, just lamenting.


Jan 27 2009, 2:31 PM
doh (guest): yeah, it’s dead everywhere…and yet ideas are still the coin of the realm
doh (guest): yeah, it’s dead everywhere…and yet ideas are still the coin of the realm


Jan 27 2009, 2:31 PM
guest (guest): I see.
guest (guest): I see.


Jan 27 2009, 2:32 PM
AdminErik: most other portfolio-posting sites are for creativity as a whole. this is for adfolk.
AdminErik: most other portfolio-posting sites are for creativity as a whole. this is for adfolk.

Jan 27 2009, 2:32 PM
doh (guest): chiat/day started in a resession, so did goodby
doh (guest): chiat/day started in a resession, so did goodby


Jan 27 2009, 2:32 PM
Crasherx (guest): The last 5 interveiws I went on, not ONE place cared to see my reel. They want to see interactive
Crasherx (guest): The last 5 interveiws I went on, not ONE place cared to see my reel. They want to see interactive


Jan 27 2009, 2:32 PM
guest (guest): Very Cool Erik!
guest (guest): Very Cool Erik!


Jan 27 2009, 2:32 PM
Deanne (guest): minneapolis actually has some openings — they are just not the high profile situations everyone is looking for.
Deanne (guest): minneapolis actually has some openings — they are just not the high profile situations everyone is looking for.


Jan 27 2009, 2:32 PM
Crasherx (guest): Any more ADs need a writer?
Crasherx (guest): Any more ADs need a writer?


Jan 27 2009, 2:32 PM
freelancin (guest): but if u think about it interactive can be relatively easy to produce on your own
freelancin (guest): but if u think about it interactive can be relatively easy to produce on your own


Jan 27 2009, 2:32 PM
Jcarter (guest): yeah, I have some interactive and people want to see more
Jcarter (guest): yeah, I have some interactive and people want to see more


Jan 27 2009, 2:32 PM
meg (guest): do tell Deanne.
meg (guest): do tell Deanne.


Jan 27 2009, 2:33 PM
Chris (guest): can you telecommute? it’s too damn cold in Minneapolis
Chris (guest): can you telecommute? it’s too damn cold in Minneapolis


Jan 27 2009, 2:33 PM
Crasherx (guest): yup
Crasherx (guest): yup


Jan 27 2009, 2:33 PM
Deanne (guest): tis — but they pay $$
Deanne (guest): tis — but they pay $$


Jan 27 2009, 2:33 PM
AdminErik: if deanne is the deanne i think she is, then she is a headhunter…and a good one. be nice to her.
AdminErik: if deanne is the deanne i think she is, then she is a headhunter…and a good one. be nice to her.

Jan 27 2009, 2:33 PM
freelancin (guest): i’d love to meet smaller agencies
freelancin (guest): i’d love to meet smaller agencies


Jan 27 2009, 2:33 PM
ajl (guest): another thing I’m struggling with in this new-found roll is things like “how to create an estimate” maybe we could have an area we can guide each other on with things like that.
ajl (guest): another thing I’m struggling with in this new-found roll is things like “how to create an estimate” maybe we could have an area we can guide each other on with things like that.


Jan 27 2009, 2:33 PM
Crasherx (guest): ADS….email me @ tramp@yahoo.com
Crasherx (guest): ADS….email me @ tramp@yahoo.com


Jan 27 2009, 2:34 PM
meg (guest): Deanne-tis?
meg (guest): Deanne-tis?


Jan 27 2009, 2:35 PM
freelancin (guest): are you off your gig, erik?
freelancin (guest): are you off your gig, erik?


Jan 27 2009, 2:35 PM
ajl (guest): I’m also having trouble with things like -how to create an estimate- maybe we could have a section where we give each other guidance on stuff like that
ajl (guest): I’m also having trouble with things like -how to create an estimate- maybe we could have a section where we give each other guidance on stuff like that


Jan 27 2009, 2:35 PM
Deanne (guest): Everyone is stretching their skill set now — as hard as the first one was to do, Erik, the next one’s aren’t so daunting.
Deanne (guest): Everyone is stretching their skill set now — as hard as the first one was to do, Erik, the next one’s aren’t so daunting.


Jan 27 2009, 2:36 PM
Jcarter (guest): I’m toying with the idea of creating my own brand, my own product and marketing it using my knowledge and a lot of experimentation.
Jcarter (guest): I’m toying with the idea of creating my own brand, my own product and marketing it using my knowledge and a lot of experimentation.


Jan 27 2009, 2:36 PM
guest (guest): or guest from agencuies re: advice?
guest (guest): or guest from agencuies re: advice?


Jan 27 2009, 2:36 PM
Crasherx (guest): Read the book ” PUNK MARKETING”
Crasherx (guest): Read the book ” PUNK MARKETING”


Jan 27 2009, 2:36 PM
Chris (guest): you know, a post/section/list of “you’ve just been laid off, now what” would’ve been really helpful
Chris (guest): you know, a post/section/list of “you’ve just been laid off, now what” would’ve been really helpful


Jan 27 2009, 2:36 PM
freelancin (guest): i’ve always said it… if freelancers shared their rates, we’d all make more in the end… less transparency
freelancin (guest): i’ve always said it… if freelancers shared their rates, we’d all make more in the end… less transparency


Jan 27 2009, 2:36 PM
freelancin (guest): share what you earn/charge
freelancin (guest): share what you earn/charge


Jan 27 2009, 2:36 PM
Melissa (guest): i know i always wonder if i am too high, low for the market
Melissa (guest): i know i always wonder if i am too high, low for the market


Jan 27 2009, 2:36 PM
Deanne (guest): It doesn
Deanne (guest): It doesn


Jan 27 2009, 2:37 PM
freelancin (guest): 20/20 did a story confirming the idea that if people shared salaries we’d have more power to charge more
freelancin (guest): 20/20 did a story confirming the idea that if people shared salaries we’d have more power to charge more


Jan 27 2009, 2:37 PM
guest (guest): not now with telecommuting
guest (guest): not now with telecommuting


Jan 27 2009, 2:37 PM
freelancin (guest): employers would HATE it
freelancin (guest): employers would HATE it


Jan 27 2009, 2:37 PM
ajl (guest): this is all soooo new to me
ajl (guest): this is all soooo new to me


Jan 27 2009, 2:37 PM
freelancin (guest): it’s such a taboo subject that keeps us all down
freelancin (guest): it’s such a taboo subject that keeps us all down


Jan 27 2009, 2:37 PM
Deanne (guest): oops — sharing $$ doesn’t always work because not everyone is comparable to each other.
Deanne (guest): oops — sharing $$ doesn’t always work because not everyone is comparable to each other.


Jan 27 2009, 2:37 PM
AdminErik: i usually say, here’s what i charge. but i understand the market and that i have lots of competition these days. i’m flexible.
AdminErik: i usually say, here’s what i charge. but i understand the market and that i have lots of competition these days. i’m flexible.

Jan 27 2009, 2:37 PM
guest (guest): FAIR
guest (guest): FAIR


Jan 27 2009, 2:37 PM
Melissa (guest): i wish talentzoo.com would get their sal. monitor back up and running
Melissa (guest): i wish talentzoo.com would get their sal. monitor back up and running


Jan 27 2009, 2:38 PM
freelancin (guest): maybe it’s just an exercise that we have to suffer through: “What should I charge”?
freelancin (guest): maybe it’s just an exercise that we have to suffer through: “What should I charge”?


Jan 27 2009, 2:38 PM
guest (guest): i diddn’t think so?
guest (guest): i diddn’t think so?


Jan 27 2009, 2:38 PM
guest (guest): oh.
guest (guest): oh.


Jan 27 2009, 2:38 PM
Melissa (guest): well i hope they fix it
Melissa (guest): well i hope they fix it


Jan 27 2009, 2:38 PM
guest (guest): I liked It too
guest (guest): I liked It too


Jan 27 2009, 2:38 PM
Melissa (guest): it was nice to have an estimate
Melissa (guest): it was nice to have an estimate


Jan 27 2009, 2:38 PM
Crasherx (guest): The money is great, but I LOVED makeing ADS!
Crasherx (guest): The money is great, but I LOVED makeing ADS!


Jan 27 2009, 2:38 PM
AdminErik: well, freelancin…that is one argument to have standard rates for services if they’re procured through pfta
AdminErik: well, freelancin…that is one argument to have standard rates for services if they’re procured through pfta

Jan 27 2009, 2:39 PM
Crasherx (guest): WOw
Crasherx (guest): WOw


Jan 27 2009, 2:39 PM
Crasherx (guest): ,
Crasherx (guest): ,


Jan 27 2009, 2:39 PM
ajl (guest): erik- would it depend on level?
ajl (guest): erik- would it depend on level?


Jan 27 2009, 2:39 PM
AdminErik: crasherx…can you do us a favor and post a link to your work here so we can be sure you are who you say?
AdminErik: crasherx…can you do us a favor and post a link to your work here so we can be sure you are who you say?

Jan 27 2009, 2:40 PM
Crasherx (guest): Ask Sally, she knows
Crasherx (guest): Ask Sally, she knows


Jan 27 2009, 2:40 PM
ajl (guest): cool
ajl (guest): cool


Jan 27 2009, 2:40 PM
copybroad (guest): does anyone know who to hit up for freelance jobs for writers? It seems like everything is for GD’s or it is for one of those 450 SEO articles for $75
copybroad (guest): does anyone know who to hit up for freelance jobs for writers? It seems like everything is for GD’s or it is for one of those 450 SEO articles for $75


Jan 27 2009, 2:40 PM
copybroad (guest): ??
copybroad (guest): ??


Jan 27 2009, 2:40 PM
Deanne (guest): With freelance, it is hard to average out rates. Each creative brings different things to the party.
Deanne (guest): With freelance, it is hard to average out rates. Each creative brings different things to the party.


Jan 27 2009, 2:40 PM
freelancin (guest): this is gonna sound weird, but are there a lot of hacks out there that disappooint agencies? like someone cant’t crack a brief?
freelancin (guest): this is gonna sound weird, but are there a lot of hacks out there that disappooint agencies? like someone cant’t crack a brief?


Jan 27 2009, 2:41 PM
Crasherx (guest): My link is down, but I can send samples
Crasherx (guest): My link is down, but I can send samples


Jan 27 2009, 2:41 PM
Crasherx (guest): I am not a fake
Crasherx (guest): I am not a fake


Jan 27 2009, 2:41 PM
freelancin (guest): check in the mail
freelancin (guest): check in the mail


Jan 27 2009, 2:41 PM
copybroad (guest): I’m stoked to hear it, just keep the SEO writer abusers out
copybroad (guest): I’m stoked to hear it, just keep the SEO writer abusers out


Jan 27 2009, 2:42 PM
AdminErik: freelancin…without calling anybody a “hack,” i have been told more than once that it was nice to have me around because it was so hard to find good creatives
AdminErik: freelancin…without calling anybody a “hack,” i have been told more than once that it was nice to have me around because it was so hard to find good creatives

Jan 27 2009, 2:42 PM
freelancin (guest): i am trying to figure out if i should ask an agency for more $ if i am always delivering well
freelancin (guest): i am trying to figure out if i should ask an agency for more $ if i am always delivering well


Jan 27 2009, 2:42 PM
Deanne (guest): how close are you to the person who hired you??
Deanne (guest): how close are you to the person who hired you??


Jan 27 2009, 2:42 PM
freelancin (guest): like when can you ask for more money? do i have to wait a year and then ask for an inflation raise?
freelancin (guest): like when can you ask for more money? do i have to wait a year and then ask for an inflation raise?


Jan 27 2009, 2:42 PM
guest (guest): why the hell not?
guest (guest): why the hell not?


Jan 27 2009, 2:43 PM
meg (guest): copybroad, I know “creativecircle” posts a fair amount
meg (guest): copybroad, I know “creativecircle” posts a fair amount


Jan 27 2009, 2:43 PM
Crasherx (guest): But is the competition just know TV?
Crasherx (guest): But is the competition just know TV?


Jan 27 2009, 2:43 PM
freelancin (guest): i feel like i am close to my CDs, but don’t want to come across as pompous about my skills
freelancin (guest): i feel like i am close to my CDs, but don’t want to come across as pompous about my skills


Jan 27 2009, 2:43 PM
Crasherx (guest): AVOID CREATIVE CIRCLE
AdminErik: great people from every discipline

Jan 27 2009, 2:43 PM
Crasherx (guest): Trust me on that
Crasherx (guest): Trust me on that


Jan 27 2009, 2:43 PM
Crasherx (guest): they will rip you off
Crasherx (guest): they will rip you off


Jan 27 2009, 2:43 PM
copybroad (guest): Meg- I’ve been working with them, but it seems like whenever they get a lead, the client pulls the project last minute
copybroad (guest): Meg- I’ve been working with them, but it seems like whenever they get a lead, the client pulls the project last minute


Jan 27 2009, 2:43 PM
Crasherx (guest): They do
Crasherx (guest): They do


Jan 27 2009, 2:43 PM
Crasherx (guest): and the client hates working with them
Crasherx (guest): and the client hates working with them


Jan 27 2009, 2:43 PM
Anonymous (guest): hi erik its nb in ny!
Anonymous (guest): hi erik its nb in ny!


Jan 27 2009, 2:44 PM
Crasherx (guest): I lost jobs becasue they didn;t want to work with them
Crasherx (guest): I lost jobs becasue they didn;t want to work with them


Jan 27 2009, 2:44 PM
AdminErik: i do wonder whether half the stuff some services announce is real or just phishing.
AdminErik: i do wonder whether half the stuff some services announce is real or just phishing.

Jan 27 2009, 2:44 PM
guest (guest): I concur as a legit headhunter
guest (guest): I concur as a legit headhunter


Jan 27 2009, 2:44 PM
Anonymous (guest): yes i’m a bit slow to this
Anonymous (guest): yes i’m a bit slow to this


Jan 27 2009, 2:44 PM
Crasherx (guest): concur on what?
Crasherx (guest): concur on what?


Jan 27 2009, 2:45 PM
guest (guest): phishing.
guest (guest): phishing.


Jan 27 2009, 2:45 PM
copybroad (guest): they are nice enough to the creatives, just don’t produce relationships with clients
copybroad (guest): they are nice enough to the creatives, just don’t produce relationships with clients


Jan 27 2009, 2:45 PM
Deanne (guest): To freelancin -I wouldn’t wait a year, make a case for all the campaigns you solved and ask if they could see up your rate-
Deanne (guest): To freelancin -I wouldn’t wait a year, make a case for all the campaigns you solved and ask if they could see up your rate-


Jan 27 2009, 2:45 PM
Crasherx (guest): Creative Circle in Chicago has a bad rep
Crasherx (guest): Creative Circle in Chicago has a bad rep


Jan 27 2009, 2:45 PM
Crasherx (guest): I loved working with talentzoo
Crasherx (guest): I loved working with talentzoo


Jan 27 2009, 2:45 PM
copybroad (guest): that’s the one I was try’n to work with
copybroad (guest): that’s the one I was try’n to work with


Jan 27 2009, 2:45 PM
AdminErik: so, there are at least two headhunters logged on right now. what is your take on their being a free online site for agencies and talent to find each other? is it stepping on your toes at all? or can it help you in any way?
AdminErik: so, there are at least two headhunters logged on right now. what is your take on their being a free online site for agencies and talent to find each other? is it stepping on your toes at all? or can it help you in any way?

Jan 27 2009, 2:45 PM
meg (guest): hm, good to know, thanks.
meg (guest): hm, good to know, thanks.


Jan 27 2009, 2:46 PM
guest (guest): crasherX do you work for Talent zoo????????
guest (guest): crasherX do you work for Talent zoo????????


Jan 27 2009, 2:46 PM
freelancin (guest): maybe headhunter have a roll on this new site
freelancin (guest): maybe headhunter have a roll on this new site


Jan 27 2009, 2:46 PM
Crasherx (guest): Nope, but I have nothing but love for them
Crasherx (guest): Nope, but I have nothing but love for them


Jan 27 2009, 2:46 PM
freelancin (guest): like when its time to meet more agencies or get hired, consult with them
freelancin (guest): like when its time to meet more agencies or get hired, consult with them


Jan 27 2009, 2:46 PM
Chris (guest): I need a headhunter
Chris (guest): I need a headhunter


Jan 27 2009, 2:46 PM
ajl (guest): why couldn’t headhunters check people out there too?
ajl (guest): why couldn’t headhunters check people out there too?


Jan 27 2009, 2:46 PM
Deanne (guest): Not at all — it’s a crazy time and there should be as many resources available as possible
Deanne (guest): Not at all — it’s a crazy time and there should be as many resources available as possible


Jan 27 2009, 2:46 PM
Crasherx (guest): Amy Hoover
Crasherx (guest): Amy Hoover


Jan 27 2009, 2:46 PM
AdminErik: i need some proof that crasherx isn’t phishing. crasherx…reveal yourself before i cut you of.
AdminErik: i need some proof that crasherx isn’t phishing. crasherx…reveal yourself before i cut you of.

Jan 27 2009, 2:46 PM
Crasherx (guest): ?
Crasherx (guest): ?


Jan 27 2009, 2:47 PM
Crasherx (guest): How should I do that?
Crasherx (guest): How should I do that?


Jan 27 2009, 2:47 PM
guest (guest): Headhunter : ERIK it’s fantastic. Ad Agencies do not hire real headhunter’s to locate talent that is AVAILABLE they hire us to locate talent that IS not Available are you following me? I think your idea is great.
guest (guest): Headhunter : ERIK it’s fantastic. Ad Agencies do not hire real headhunter’s to locate talent that is AVAILABLE they hire us to locate talent that IS not Available are you following me? I think your idea is great.


Jan 27 2009, 2:48 PM
freelancin (guest): so headhunters are good at stealing talent from their jobs? sneaky
freelancin (guest): so headhunters are good at stealing talent from their jobs? sneaky


Jan 27 2009, 2:48 PM
ajl (guest): so is that why I’m not getting any calls from my headhunters?
ajl (guest): so is that why I’m not getting any calls from my headhunters?


Jan 27 2009, 2:48 PM
Melissa (guest): now we all know why!
Melissa (guest): now we all know why!


Jan 27 2009, 2:48 PM
copybroad (guest): haha, so when everyone is getting laid off, it takes a job to get one, oh man
copybroad (guest): haha, so when everyone is getting laid off, it takes a job to get one, oh man


Jan 27 2009, 2:48 PM
meg (guest): it’s all clear now
meg (guest): it’s all clear now


Jan 27 2009, 2:49 PM
Chris (guest): they do say it’s easier to find a job when you have one
Chris (guest): they do say it’s easier to find a job when you have one


Jan 27 2009, 2:49 PM
guest (guest): we’ll agencies pay me to GO AFTER a very specific “person/s” and I charge then for this – od coarse.
guest (guest): we’ll agencies pay me to GO AFTER a very specific “person/s” and I charge then for this – od coarse.


Jan 27 2009, 2:49 PM
deenile (guest): I think PFTA talent on line is a great idea in this economy. And green. Why pay to relocate someone
deenile (guest): I think PFTA talent on line is a great idea in this economy. And green. Why pay to relocate someone


Jan 27 2009, 2:50 PM
Crasherx (guest): SENT
Crasherx (guest): SENT


Jan 27 2009, 2:50 PM
AdminErik: i hate to be so cliche, but if one person gets work because they were “discovered” on pfta, then it will be worth the headache in spades.
AdminErik: i hate to be so cliche, but if one person gets work because they were “discovered” on pfta, then it will be worth the headache in spades.

Jan 27 2009, 2:50 PM
deenile (guest): . . . when that someone is right under the client’s nose. and there is not the carbon footprint of moving them accross the country.
deenile (guest): . . . when that someone is right under the client’s nose. and there is not the carbon footprint of moving them accross the country.


Jan 27 2009, 2:50 PM
ajl (guest): I think we could really make it something that doesn’t exist yet
ajl (guest): I think we could really make it something that doesn’t exist yet


Jan 27 2009, 2:50 PM
guest (guest): BECAUSE AD AGENCIES arn’t hiring “headhunter’s” they were hiring sales people to take the load off of hiring. I’,m still in busines though my competitors are getting ZERO calls
guest (guest): BECAUSE AD AGENCIES arn’t hiring “headhunter’s” they were hiring sales people to take the load off of hiring. I’,m still in busines though my competitors are getting ZERO calls


Jan 27 2009, 2:51 PM
ajl (guest): isn’t that what we do anyway? Making things that have never been done before?
ajl (guest): isn’t that what we do anyway? Making things that have never been done before?


Jan 27 2009, 2:51 PM
deenile (guest): good one, ajl
deenile (guest): good one, ajl


Jan 27 2009, 2:51 PM
freelancin (guest): so maybe part of PFTA should be forming a virtual agency and doign real work
freelancin (guest): so maybe part of PFTA should be forming a virtual agency and doign real work


Jan 27 2009, 2:51 PM
meg (guest): I’m on board
meg (guest): I’m on board


Jan 27 2009, 2:51 PM
Crasherx (guest): I just sent a few samples
Crasherx (guest): I just sent a few samples


Jan 27 2009, 2:51 PM
guest (guest): very cool
guest (guest): very cool


Jan 27 2009, 2:51 PM
ajl (guest): yup
ajl (guest): yup


Jan 27 2009, 2:51 PM
toddindependent (guest): I’ve been freelancing for a few years and now want to get a full-time gig (kids have to eat) but I’ve found that once you’re labeled a freelancer from the agencies they would rather keep you at that status. Anyone have the same problem? Or thoughts?
toddindependent (guest): I’ve been freelancing for a few years and now want to get a full-time gig (kids have to eat) but I’ve found that once you’re labeled a freelancer from the agencies they would rather keep you at that status. Anyone have the same problem? Or thoughts?


Jan 27 2009, 2:51 PM
freelancin (guest): not sure how you’d choose your teams but someone (erik) would have to play CD
freelancin (guest): not sure how you’d choose your teams but someone (erik) would have to play CD


Jan 27 2009, 2:51 PM
AdminErik: it becomes part service for agencies, part agency, part creative community
AdminErik: it becomes part service for agencies, part agency, part creative community

Jan 27 2009, 2:52 PM
Crasherx (guest): Erik, did you get it?
Crasherx (guest): Erik, did you get it?


Jan 27 2009, 2:52 PM
guest (guest): how would you profit Erik?
guest (guest): how would you profit Erik?


Jan 27 2009, 2:52 PM
Anonymous (guest): you could build a simple site on carbonmade.com erik with the various creative that contact you.
Anonymous (guest): you could build a simple site on carbonmade.com erik with the various creative that contact you.


Jan 27 2009, 2:52 PM
freelancin (guest): that would make it truly stand out from other job/portfolio sites….
freelancin (guest): that would make it truly stand out from other job/portfolio sites….


Jan 27 2009, 2:52 PM
Deanne (guest): If you really perform, many agencies will turn you into full time.
Deanne (guest): If you really perform, many agencies will turn you into full time.


Jan 27 2009, 2:53 PM
freelancin (guest): get a few free clients to get hte ball rolling. hopfully good work would attract other clients (to pay and hire)
freelancin (guest): get a few free clients to get hte ball rolling. hopfully good work would attract other clients (to pay and hire)


Jan 27 2009, 2:53 PM
AdminErik: i’ve been really, really fortunate in finding freelance after i lost my job.
AdminErik: i’ve been really, really fortunate in finding freelance after i lost my job.

Jan 27 2009, 2:53 PM
guest (guest): that means your legit.
guest (guest): that means your legit.


Jan 27 2009, 2:53 PM
Chris (guest): then the question is standard of work… who enforces it?
Chris (guest): then the question is standard of work… who enforces it?


Jan 27 2009, 2:53 PM
deenile (guest): there would be no office space to create costs either
deenile (guest): there would be no office space to create costs either


Jan 27 2009, 2:53 PM
freelancin (guest): use the Pay to run the site and become a tycoon
freelancin (guest): use the Pay to run the site and become a tycoon


Jan 27 2009, 2:53 PM
copybroad (guest): will there be any metrics to keep the creative quality high on the site?
copybroad (guest): will there be any metrics to keep the creative quality high on the site?


Jan 27 2009, 2:53 PM
AdminErik: i just want people to be able to make a living, support their families, etc.
AdminErik: i just want people to be able to make a living, support their families, etc.

Jan 27 2009, 2:53 PM
freelancin (guest): you’d need a creative director… like any other gig
freelancin (guest): you’d need a creative director… like any other gig


Jan 27 2009, 2:53 PM
Crasherx (guest): let me know if you got it, Erik
Crasherx (guest): let me know if you got it, Erik


Jan 27 2009, 2:54 PM
Anonymous (guest): I think erik would be a good judge of talent.
Anonymous (guest): I think erik would be a good judge of talent.


Jan 27 2009, 2:54 PM
ajl (guest): we could designate certain creatives that are in the network that were ACD or higher and they could approve work-
ajl (guest): we could designate certain creatives that are in the network that were ACD or higher and they could approve work-


Jan 27 2009, 2:54 PM
Crasherx (guest): erik@pleasefeedtheanimals.com
Crasherx (guest): erik@pleasefeedtheanimals.com


Jan 27 2009, 2:54 PM
copybroad (guest): like ratings or references?
copybroad (guest): like ratings or references?


Jan 27 2009, 2:54 PM
guest (guest): Erik – that type of passion and transparence is what this Ad industry business needs.
guest (guest): Erik – that type of passion and transparence is what this Ad industry business needs.


Jan 27 2009, 2:56 PM
deenile (guest): a transparent creative co-op where we bring out passion for the business but leave egos at the door
deenile (guest): a transparent creative co-op where we bring out passion for the business but leave egos at the door


Jan 27 2009, 2:56 PM
ajl (guest): where this is evolving could be really great Erik
ajl (guest): where this is evolving could be really great Erik


Jan 27 2009, 2:56 PM
deenile (guest): “our” passion
deenile (guest): “our” passion


Jan 27 2009, 2:57 PM
ajl (guest): creative co-op is right
ajl (guest): creative co-op is right


Jan 27 2009, 2:57 PM
Chris (guest): sounds like a soap opera title
Chris (guest): sounds like a soap opera title


Jan 27 2009, 2:57 PM
guest (guest): and under cutting and politic’s but Erik seems to have a knack for stopping BS
guest (guest): and under cutting and politic’s but Erik seems to have a knack for stopping BS


Jan 27 2009, 2:57 PM
AdminErik: the FIRST thing is for us all to have a visible place to show off how awesome we are, and how are former employers were stupid for letting us go.
AdminErik: the FIRST thing is for us all to have a visible place to show off how awesome we are, and how are former employers were stupid for letting us go.

Jan 27 2009, 2:57 PM
freelancin (guest): this is going to sound unpopular but co-op seems to imply that admission needs to be approved. how do you keep the creative standards high?
freelancin (guest): this is going to sound unpopular but co-op seems to imply that admission needs to be approved. how do you keep the creative standards high?


Jan 27 2009, 2:57 PM
AdminErik: once we have a realistic evaulation of the talent at our fingertips, that is when we can attack clients.
AdminErik: once we have a realistic evaulation of the talent at our fingertips, that is when we can attack clients.

Jan 27 2009, 2:57 PM
freelancin (guest): some people can’t find jobs for a reason
guest (guest): well plenty of TALENT avaialable in this recession.


Jan 27 2009, 2:58 PM
deenile (guest): out of work new business people?
deenile (guest): out of work new business people?


Jan 27 2009, 2:58 PM
TeresaRad (guest): that’s the thought i had when coming up with the idea, that it is indeed a crteative co-op
TeresaRad (guest): that’s the thought i had when coming up with the idea, that it is indeed a crteative co-op


Jan 27 2009, 2:59 PM
Deanne (guest): Do a couple of “free” campaigns and use as your launching co-op portfolio
Deanne (guest): Do a couple of “free” campaigns and use as your launching co-op portfolio


Jan 27 2009, 2:59 PM
TeresaRad (guest): yes we will need a lot of voluntary helpers to get it off the gropund
TeresaRad (guest): yes we will need a lot of voluntary helpers to get it off the gropund


Jan 27 2009, 2:59 PM
AdminErik: ok everybody…we’re winding down now. i have to get back to my freelance gig so they have me back another day.
AdminErik: ok everybody…we’re winding down now. i have to get back to my freelance gig so they have me back another day.

Jan 27 2009, 2:59 PM
ajl (guest): ciao
ajl (guest): ciao


Jan 27 2009, 3:00 PM
deenile (guest): thanks erik!
deenile (guest): thanks erik!


Jan 27 2009, 3:00 PM
guest (guest): I’m a headhunter but will back you guys.
guest (guest): I’m a headhunter but will back you guys.


Jan 27 2009, 3:00 PM
Anonymous (guest): bye
Anonymous (guest): bye


Jan 27 2009, 3:00 PM
TeresaRad (guest): thanks all, bye
TeresaRad (guest): thanks all, bye


Jan 27 2009, 3:00 PM
guest (guest): adios
guest (guest): adios


Jan 27 2009, 3:00 PM
AdminErik: if anybody can think of developers who might want to help get the site off the ground, please give me and teresa a jingle
AdminErik: if anybody can think of developers who might want to help get the site off the ground, please give me and teresa a jingle

Jan 27 2009, 3:00 PM
Deanne (guest): Interesting chat — thanks for sponsoring this, Eric.
Deanne (guest): Interesting chat — thanks for sponsoring this, Eric.


Jan 27 2009, 3:00 PM
freelancin (guest): danke erik
freelancin (guest): danke erik


Jan 27 2009, 3:00 PM
TeresaRad (guest): thanks all, be well
TeresaRad (guest): thanks all, be well


Jan 27 2009, 3:00 PM
meg (guest): any marching orders?
meg (guest): any marching orders?


Jan 27 2009, 3:01 PM
meg (guest): bye all.
meg (guest): bye all.


Jan 27 2009, 3:01 PM
AdminErik: if you haven’t already…get me your resumes, bios, and bulleted job histories
AdminErik: if you haven’t already…get me your resumes, bios, and bulleted job histories

Jan 27 2009, 3:01 PM
AdminErik: ciao
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