Chat Transcript – 4/14/09

Apr 14 2009, 2:00 PM
AdminErik: Hello everybody. I’ve got a big cup of tea and a fistful of Zicam. Let’s chat it up.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:00 PM
AdminErik: I’m going to try to stay on topic today. And that topic is, you.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:01 PM
AdminErik: Namely, how can PFTA facilitate in your search for work.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:01 PM
AdminErik: The launch of the new site is taking a lot longer that I had hoped or planned on.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:02 PM
AdminErik: Several designers came and went after they got busy with paid gigs.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:02 PM
AdminErik: Which I can hardly blame them for. However, it’s slowed the process down quite a bit.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:03 PM
AdminErik: Anyone here logged in who will be coming to Silvertone tonight?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:03 PM
toddindependent (guest): Take the model that independent musicians do now by asking fans to contribute a certain $ for a new CD. Same here, contribute a certain amount of time to place a stake in the site
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Apr 14 2009, 2:03 PM
Mike (guest): it would be a bit of a drive from baltimore
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Apr 14 2009, 2:04 PM
AdminErik: That raises an interesting point. When the new site launches, I need to find a way to offset administration costs, hosting, etc.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:04 PM
AdminErik: Would people be willing to pay a micro-subscription…say, $1/month?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:04 PM
Tripp (guest): i find bake sales bring in lots of cash.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:04 PM
toddindependent (guest): At least we can all be a bit “socialist” about the site. make it our own community. Put in a penny, take a penny
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Apr 14 2009, 2:05 PM
AdminErik: Socialist…such a dirty word.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:05 PM
AdminErik: Ha.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:05 PM
mrszalay (guest): Yep I would pay a bit – will it be filtered so that only the unemployed can use it?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:05 PM
toddindependent (guest): Take the NIN/Radiohead model,, pay what you feel you can put in/worht
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Apr 14 2009, 2:06 PM
toddindependent (guest): Socialist, by being social. HA!
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Apr 14 2009, 2:06 PM
AdminErik: Not sure how much the employed would gain from PFTA. It’s like they’d be advertising that they’re looking for a job.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:06 PM
Giojack (guest): Maybe one of the local hosting companies would “donate” some space? Have you tried to ask?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:06 PM
AdminErik: mrszalay, plus i’m not sure how that filtration would be possible. unless we do a credit check, it’s not like we can determine if someone is actively employed.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:07 PM
toddindependent (guest): Employed or unemployed. If were in it together, what does it matter. You’re an “animal” evenn when youo get that job. Give back
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Apr 14 2009, 2:07 PM
jackie (guest): hi everyone
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Apr 14 2009, 2:07 PM
AdminErik: giojack, the hosting is actually one of the smaller costs associated with admin. it’s more the sheer time of meeting with agencies, promoting it, pr, etc.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:07 PM
AdminErik: (all together now) “hi jackie.”
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Apr 14 2009, 2:08 PM
lisa (guest): Maybe the agencies would donate a really small amount. If they put in a couple hundred each, it would be nothing for them, but a lot for the site.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:08 PM
mrszalay (guest): hi Jackie!
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Apr 14 2009, 2:08 PM
toddindependent (guest): Giving back is the last thing this industry would expect now. They fired you, take control of it
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Apr 14 2009, 2:09 PM
AdminErik: lisa, the one realistic revenue stream is for agencies to post jobs. i already have an agreement from a couple of agencies to do this.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:09 PM
toddindependent (guest): I wouldn’t count on an agency donating. Keep it independent and individual based.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:10 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Greetings all.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:10 PM
toddindependent (guest): Ok all you guests, this is your time to throw out that great idea that’s been in your head all week…
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Apr 14 2009, 2:10 PM
mrszalay (guest): What do the other venues for posting your work do? I imagine CA asks for some money to put your stuff up there.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:10 PM
AdminErik: now that more people are logged on, i want to pose the question again. if PFTA provided a legitimate tool for you to find work, get assignments, etc. would you be willing to pay for a micro-subscription. say, $1/month?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:10 PM
Giojack (guest): Got ya. Since we are all out there searching and meeting with agencie/headhunters…if you/we came up with some sort of “sell sheet” maybe we can all help get the word out?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:11 PM
AdminErik: creativehotlist asks for $50.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:11 PM
toddindependent (guest): Sell sheet is a cool idea
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Apr 14 2009, 2:11 PM
AdminErik: for 6 months.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:11 PM
toddindependent (guest): Ala cart…
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Apr 14 2009, 2:11 PM
AdminErik: giojack…great idea
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Apr 14 2009, 2:11 PM
lisa (guest): I think a microsubscription is a good idea. Keeps people using it, also.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:12 PM
Giojack (guest): I’d pay a buck a month just for these chats. Helps to lift spirits and know you aren’t alone.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:12 PM
AdminErik: great thing to say, giojack. thank you.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:12 PM
JohnPark (guest): I’d give a buck a month def
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Apr 14 2009, 2:12 PM
jackie (guest): id agree. a dollar doesn’t seem like a bad investment- especially when you’re really investing in yourself
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Apr 14 2009, 2:13 PM
AdminErik: i’m not advocating charging a fee of any kind. i’m just exploring options.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:13 PM
toddindependent (guest): Look at the list to the right. we have so many talents, a virtual ice cream menu, how could people not want to
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Apr 14 2009, 2:13 PM
AdminErik: best one so far is to survive on job posting revenue. but that can go up or down on a monthly basis.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:13 PM
JPotteiger (guest): I like it, I’d be willing to pay for sure. Also, (and this might be a stretch) as with political campaigns I think that if individuals are investing just a little in the community that they will feel more connected to it.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:14 PM
toddindependent (guest): Investment spending pays off in the long run
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Apr 14 2009, 2:14 PM
lisa (guest): Also, if you could set it up so that people could connect with each other easier.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:14 PM
AdminErik: JP and LISA- exactly. which is a good segue to another topic on The Future We.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:14 PM
mrszalay (guest): erik – once the sit is up do you have a pretty good idea of operating costs?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:15 PM
AdminErik: What if there were a community section, where everyone could split off and for their own mini agencies.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:15 PM
toddindependent (guest): Pods
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Apr 14 2009, 2:15 PM
AdminErik: Exactly
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Apr 14 2009, 2:15 PM
AdminErik: Clients could use PFTA to assign projects.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:15 PM
toddindependent (guest): Very good concept. Even with people in your area
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Apr 14 2009, 2:15 PM
AdminErik: Find a pod that intersted them, etc.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:15 PM
mrszalay (guest): sounds cool.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:16 PM
JohnPark (guest): Sounds great!
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Apr 14 2009, 2:16 PM
lisa (guest): that would be awesome.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:16 PM
JPotteiger (guest): I’m planning on starting a mini agency of my own this summer, and we had a really hard time filling out the needed positions. A community of ad folks would have been very helpful!
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Apr 14 2009, 2:16 PM
JohnPark (guest): It would be a great way to meet account people and brand planners too
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Apr 14 2009, 2:16 PM
toddindependent (guest): essential!
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Apr 14 2009, 2:16 PM
AdminErik: It’s like meetup.com, where communities bud instantaneously.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:17 PM
JohnPark (guest): You could probably find clients willing to give some office space too
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Apr 14 2009, 2:17 PM
toddindependent (guest): who’s going to build that “phone app?”
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Apr 14 2009, 2:18 PM
JPotteiger (guest): haha
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Apr 14 2009, 2:18 PM
Mitoman (guest): ello
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Apr 14 2009, 2:18 PM
AdminErik: Don’t laugh. A mobile app would be huge for this.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:18 PM
Mitoman (guest): what is PFTA Live?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:19 PM
SarahMerion (guest): A mobile app is a fantastic idea.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:19 PM
JohnPark (guest): Just remember not to concept while driving
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Apr 14 2009, 2:19 PM
toddindependent (guest): exactly Erik. Connectivity, pods, etc… working remotely
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Apr 14 2009, 2:19 PM
AdminErik: This question was posed by toddindependent, and I think it’s another good segue:
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Apr 14 2009, 2:19 PM
AdminErik: if you could start your own agency, what would you do differently than any other shop in (your) town? remember, your name is on the door. Saying F*$K off to certain clients/people is bad for business.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:20 PM
JPotteiger (guest): Oh no, I didn’t mean to mock the idea. Just at the irony. It would probably be one of the best apps ever.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:20 PM
mike (guest): basically, anything that would help make the site more interactive instead of just a job board would be nice
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Apr 14 2009, 2:20 PM
mrszalay (guest): never sell out to a holding company is what I would do.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:21 PM
AdminErik: mrszalay…goes without saying.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:21 PM
toddindependent (guest): that 51% is key, in the long run, and for your employeess
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Apr 14 2009, 2:21 PM
AdminErik: mrszalay, i’m so anti-that. you have no idea.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:21 PM
mrszalay (guest): had to say it…
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Apr 14 2009, 2:22 PM
AdminErik: Another great question from Toddindependent:
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Apr 14 2009, 2:22 PM
AdminErik: If PFTA had a project, would you bring in your fav account person? There are great ones out there. I’ve worked with some. And they do add incredible value.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:23 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): If the most realistic option to meeting costs is agency support — whether PFTA will be a job board or microagency-like — I think getting input from agency gatekeepers (recruiters) is crucial.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:23 PM
JohnPark (guest): Of course
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Apr 14 2009, 2:24 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): I’d guess that some of their primary wants would be:
• Low cost
• Searchable database with standardized & clear categorization
• A means to present selected candidates info & work to other
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Apr 14 2009, 2:24 PM
Giojack (guest): As one of those account people – I hope so. You creative folks need our help.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:25 PM
toddindependent (guest): Thanks Giojack. hand in hand
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Apr 14 2009, 2:25 PM
mrszalay (guest): question about the a la carte pod agency. does a client come to pfta with an assignment & ptfa puts together a team? or the client finds what they want & contacts the people they like?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:25 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): After all, PFTA is for us, the Animals, but the business model needs to work all around.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:25 PM
Stan (guest): I completely apologize if this has been covered. But there are 20 times the amount of creatives listed in “Ad Talent” than all the other disciplines combined. Is this consistent with who is getting laid off or is this site geared more towards creatives?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:26 PM
toddindependent (guest): Stan, what do you do?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:26 PM
JohnPark (guest): Erik, this pod idea is kind of like what they’re doing with Newton Marketing.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:26 PM
AdminErik: Stan, a bit of both. Anecdotally, i’ve noticed more creatives getting the axe than other disciplines. But by virtue of the fact that I am a copywriter, I think PFTA attracts more creatives as well.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:27 PM
JohnPark (guest): Two principals who find leads and then bring in creatives and media people to work on the pitches / business.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:27 PM
toddindependent (guest): To your question Stan, creatives seem to be a dima a dozen and will work for cheap, sadly.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:27 PM
AdminErik: Stan, that said, we are actively getting more non-creatives involved.
toddindependent (guest): and agencies now this
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Apr 14 2009, 2:28 PM
AdminErik: since you guys are here (and thank you for that), check out a few screen grabs of the new site.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:29 PM
AdminErik: http://www.pleasefeedtheanimals.com/pftaredesign/
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Apr 14 2009, 2:29 PM
Giojack (guest): Situation…my town is trying to figure out how to revitalize the downtown shopping, etc.. Businesses are closing left and right. They think a bunch of local politicians/volunteers can do it. I was thinking a team of great creatives could come up with a ton of ideas but how to get that team “hired”? Could be huge and then all the small businesses might be interested in hiring the team to help them too? Any thoughts?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:30 PM
toddindependent (guest): nice grabs
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Apr 14 2009, 2:30 PM
AdminErik: giojack, that’s the perfect scenerio for how i see pfta evolving. your town would be able to log on to pfta and assign a project.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:31 PM
AdminErik: look at different “pods” who reply, and contract them.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:32 PM
toddindependent (guest): City government is always ready to work with a type of “non-profit” style outfit. Could be very big
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Apr 14 2009, 2:33 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Giojack, I say volunteer at first. That’s not a “do we present spec or not” situation. Revitalizing your town is in your own self-interest, and when you connect with people, or they simply see your work, you’ll get as much out of it as you put in. Karma always pays.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:33 PM
JohnPark (guest): I think quality control is key. The first client to have a bad experience could poison the waters…
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Apr 14 2009, 2:33 PM
AdminErik: giojack, pfta has been popular among creatives because, well, we like to gossip and share things with our friends. if you would pass along pfta with any non-creatives you know, that would be key.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:35 PM
Stan (guest): Thanks for the feedback… toddindependent, I am also one of those “dime-a-dozen” creatives. AdminErik, there seems to be a LOT of quality (and I hate to say desperation) in that section. Outside of a mini-agency, is there a plan to get agencies to effectively tap into this talent pool?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:36 PM
AdminErik: Stan. Absolutely.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:36 PM
AdminErik: Doing a whole campaign around it.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:36 PM
jackie (guest): has anyone been contacted from this site? i had one recruiter give me a call..
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Apr 14 2009, 2:36 PM
AdminErik: I’m writing a by-line for adage next week that will generate interest.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:37 PM
AdminErik: i’m doing a whole PR campaign to other pubs. contacting AAAAs. Doing a sophisticated social media campaign.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:37 PM
mike (guest): that’ll be nice to generate more industry coverage
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Apr 14 2009, 2:38 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Jackie, you were contacted by a recruiter due to your participating here on PFTA? Awesome.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:38 PM
toddindependent (guest): Erik, do a twitter entry as well
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Apr 14 2009, 2:38 PM
AdminErik: i also just got word that someone got a 4-week freelance gig through pfta
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Apr 14 2009, 2:39 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Sweet.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:39 PM
JohnPark (guest): The core idea certainly makes sense for clients, a swat team of creatives that can bring fresh eyes to a brand without worrying about retainers or long-term contracts.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:39 PM
jackie (guest): yeah i did! was at least a glimmer of hope and should also reassure everyone this site can do serious help
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Apr 14 2009, 2:39 PM
AdminErik: johpark…not just creativs, however.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:39 PM
AdminErik: the whole agency suite, for a fraction of agency costs.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:39 PM
mrszalay (guest): could pfta do a stunt where a famous CD looks through all the candidates & picks a few to meet & interview?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:40 PM
mrszalay (guest): the get some buzz?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:40 PM
toddindependent (guest): I like that swat team approach, every discipline needed.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:40 PM
AdminErik: awesome.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:40 PM
AdminErik: mrszalay…love it
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Apr 14 2009, 2:40 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Confuse-us say: “We are all Creative. We just have different problems to solve.”
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Excellent idea, mrszalay.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
jackie (guest): has anyone seen therecessionist.com? theres something to the idea of profiling us animals
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
AdminErik: so as my first crowdsourcing experiment…pfta is going to need ads when it launches. print and banner ads for sure. maybe more.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
AdminErik: anyone want to work on it?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): yes
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
mrszalay (guest): you know i will.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
jackie (guest): of course
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
AdminErik: cool.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
JohnPark (guest): Yeah, you’re going to need a good copywriter
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
toddindependent (guest): beyond the ‘famous CD” approach, everyone here is taking control, so do you “need” that CD? This site shows leadership, like in an agency
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Apr 14 2009, 2:41 PM
AdminErik: i’ll post a brief soon on the blog.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:42 PM
AdminErik: i just need more clarity about when the darned thing will be live.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:42 PM
mike (guest): sounds great, i’d love to work on it
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Apr 14 2009, 2:42 PM
JohnPark (guest): Don’t forget to do your homework. Brand voice, character, promise…
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Apr 14 2009, 2:42 PM
mrszalay (guest): I dunno, sometimes a name helps… maybe not though.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:43 PM
JohnPark (guest): Convince, that, because…
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Apr 14 2009, 2:43 PM
AdminErik: there is a “quality control” issue as well. seeing as how we’re all both clients and agency on this, we all want our work to “win.”
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Apr 14 2009, 2:43 PM
Giojack (guest): If you need help managing, researching, coordinating, etc.. let me know. I’m good at the whole PM thing.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:43 PM
AdminErik: giojack, um, yes.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:43 PM
toddindependent (guest): are there any planners out there?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:43 PM
AdminErik: that is my weakest trait. it’s why this damned site dev is taking so long.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:44 PM
AdminErik: there are a few who’ve posted bios.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:44 PM
toddindependent (guest): we (the collective) need them
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Apr 14 2009, 2:44 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Todd, it seems to me that the “famous CD” isn’t about leadership. It’s about showing the quality & depth of the PFTA talent pool as it appeals to we’re targeting.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:45 PM
JohnPark (guest): From a PR perspective, I’d even say to take a pass on clients until the perfect exciting “case-study” comes along.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:45 PM
toddindependent (guest): Adam: point.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:45 PM
AdminErik: okay, more crowdsourcing…you guys all know about the PFTA business plan, right?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:45 PM
AdminErik: you can all write it with me here:
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Apr 14 2009, 2:45 PM
AdminErik: http://docs.google.com/Presentation?docid=ds5tph7_33gh5nsvg4&hl=en
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Apr 14 2009, 2:48 PM
AdminErik: the way i see it, there are two ways PFTA can get out of work talent working again. one is to hook you back up with agencies. that’s the “triage” phase of PFTA. the other is to help us help ourselves, with community building, connecting with each other, getting assignments from clients, etc.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:48 PM
AdminErik: that’s a longer development job, but it’s an essential phase 2.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:48 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): So the “famous CD” thing is what CMYK Magazine is all about. Which raises the question: should (one aspect of) PFTA be “CMYK Magazine For Non-Newbies”?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:48 PM
toddindependent (guest): Sorry, got this on twitter. funny from JellyHelm:Twitter is ketchup.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:49 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Not dissing that, just asking.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:49 PM
mike (guest): problem with triage phase is that there is little incentive for people to return to PFTA once they’ve been reconnected
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Apr 14 2009, 2:49 PM
toddindependent (guest): being an animal after triage is key. staying connected and helping along
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Apr 14 2009, 2:50 PM
AdminErik: good point mike. i’ll still be blogging the way i am now. people can still comment and connect. i’ll still post entries from guest writers.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:50 PM
mike (guest): exactly, which is why building a functional community should be a key aspect of moving this site forward
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Apr 14 2009, 2:50 PM
AdminErik: but as a tool to get people back to work, this needs a more sophisticated job function.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:51 PM
AdminErik: are you guys saying you’d rather wait for the launch…that it should come out of the gate with a community function?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:52 PM
JohnPark (guest): I still feel like there’s a feeling of “I wish I was still at my old agency” when I read “get people back to work.” Is there a way to massage that phrase?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:52 PM
Giojack (guest): Have you thought about setting up a test team to play out the reality. There must be some client out there willing to try?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:52 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Erik, it’s already out of the gate with a community function.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:52 PM
AdminErik: true, adam.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:52 PM
toddindependent (guest): yes, it’s happening right now
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Apr 14 2009, 2:52 PM
AdminErik: and that won’t change.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:53 PM
AdminErik: the blog will be the same.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:53 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Keeping the blog & commenting keeps the community
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Apr 14 2009, 2:53 PM
AdminErik: giojack, good idea.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:53 PM
JohnPark (guest): I agree Giojack, get a dream team together to see how great it could really be, find out what could really make this thing shine.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:54 PM
AdminErik: i would say that whoever brings in the client gets to pick his or her team.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:54 PM
toddindependent (guest): apprentice “style”
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Apr 14 2009, 2:54 PM
AdminErik: ha. yes.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:55 PM
Giojack (guest): Hmmm – I might know someone. Will let you know.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:55 PM
AdminErik: johnpark, as for the language, that’s a good point. feel free to change it in the business plan. it’s open source after all!
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Apr 14 2009, 2:55 PM
JohnPark (guest): Word
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Apr 14 2009, 2:57 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Todd, you’re starting a new shop right? What would it take for you to hire thru PFTA for a project? A team of individuals spread out across the continent who’ve never met before?
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Apr 14 2009, 2:57 PM
AdminErik: Last topic, and another good segue from toddindependent:
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Apr 14 2009, 2:57 PM
AdminErik: Do people here feel confident presenting work, being part of the business side (art and commerce), actually running the show (or project.) The better you are at selling, the better you are at selling your own “baby/work.”
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Apr 14 2009, 2:57 PM
AdminErik: I for one didn’t know how much I loved “building the business” until I started this PFTA thing.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:58 PM
AdminErik: It’s a whole additional layer of complexity beyond concepting ads. But I would argue that it’s no less creative.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:59 PM
JohnPark (guest): It’s a business, you can’t live in your basement and create art that only you will see.
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Apr 14 2009, 2:59 PM
JohnPark (guest): You always have to be working on that part of your skill-set.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:00 PM
AdminErik: Okay guys. Thanks for logging in today. If you’re in Boston tonight, swing by Silvertone at 6:00 so we can meet in person.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:00 PM
mike (guest): being able to present your own work (even internally) is essential
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Apr 14 2009, 3:00 PM
JohnPark (guest): See you then.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:00 PM
AdminErik: And remember to write the b-plan with me at http://docs.google.com/Presentation?docid=ds5tph7_33gh5nsvg4&hl=en
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Apr 14 2009, 3:01 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): I for one love the planning & presenting side as much as I love doing the creative. My skills just don’t extend to holding the reins on schedules.
Giojack (guest): Thanks Erik. You deserve a prairie fire for this. Try it. You might like it.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:01 PM
AdminErik: ewww.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:01 PM
AdminErik: had one of those on my 21st bday
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Apr 14 2009, 3:02 PM
AdminErik: it was supposed to make me puke up all the other shots i did t hat night, but to no avail.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:02 PM
Giojack (guest): So it’s been way too long.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:02 PM
AdminErik: neither did the cement mixer
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Apr 14 2009, 3:02 PM
AdminErik: thanks for all the fantastic ideas guys. will post the transcripts momentarily.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:02 PM
AdminErik: ciao for now.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:02 PM
AdamKuhr (guest): Thanks Erik. And luck to all.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:03 PM
JohnPark (guest): Thanks dude.
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Apr 14 2009, 3:03 PM
mrszalay (guest): thx E.